Here We Go Again - Page 4

strick · #31 09-09-2006, 12:31 PM

I used to think the same way but apparently we were wrong. It's true that the epoxy gives a stronger bond but the vinylester is pleanty strong. The problem comes in when you try to use epoxy on part of the project and then vinylester on another...you have to be careful not to vinylester over an area that you already epoxied...I did not want to have to worry about that. I think it's best to stay with one type of resin on a project. This is my first time using vinylester. I've always used epoxy. Other then the fumes I like working with it as it wet's out the material well. Theres also the cost of the two... my supplier wants $450 for a 7 gallon kit of epoxy versus $160 for a 5 gallon kit of vinylester. Thats $64/gallon of epoxy versus $32/gallon for vinylester. Thats probably the reason as to why you see all the Pro repair shops using vinylester. So I guess well see how the vinlyester works on this project. Your boat came out cherry BTW nice job

strick

71kidcasper · #32 09-09-2006, 06:44 PM

I realize that you are already well into your project, but you can get a 6.6 gallon kit of epoxy from US Composites for $209.00 plus shipping. I just recieved that exact kit on thursday shipping weight was 66 pounds.

Your project is turning out great. I need to figure out how to post pictures so I can show mine as well.

strick · #33 09-09-2006, 09:58 PM

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I realize that you are already well into your project, but you can get a 6.6 gallon kit of epoxy from US Composites for $209.00 plus shipping. I just recieved that exact kit on thursday shipping weight was 66 pounds.

Your project is turning out great. I need to figure out how to post pictures so I can show mine as well.

Thanks I'll look into it. I usually am too disorganized to order on line. I had a feeling that someone was going to reply with something like that

I wonder what their vinylester runs? I may order some epoxy for the bracket. Kidcasper- start a thread on your project and e-mail me the pics and I will post them on your thread if you like.

strick

Bigshrimpin · #34 09-09-2006, 11:47 PM

http://www.uscomposites.com/polyesters.html
http://www.uscomposites.com/epoxy.html

$141 + 20 + $50 shipping

Uscomposites charges a $20 hazmat fee when shipping 5 gallon pails of vinylester or polyester.

I like their thin epoxy.

strick · #35 09-25-2006, 02:25 AM

OK I'm back in the saddle again. I've been busy at work and I took 5 days off to go deer hunting. If you are a deer hunter then click here to see Bambi's dad: http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Trinity%202006/ If you have hunted blacktail deer before you will appreciate this buck.

The transom is finished on the inside. There is a layer of 1708 and a layer of woven roving. I meant to put 2 layers of 1708 but I ran out of material and Bigshrimpin was kind enough to let me have a little of his woven roving to finish the transom. Next I glassed over the foam stringer extensions with 2 layers of 1708. Here is a shot of the transom and the stringer extensions:

I drilled a few holes in the existing fiberglass stringers and filled them with foam making a good mess in the process.

After cleaning up the excess foam I ripped some strips of 3/4 marine plywood the width of the stringers. I'm going to use these to raise the highth of the stringers. These pieces were then cut to length of each the stringers. I used screws and 5 minute epoxy to glue two pieces of the 3/4" strips on top of each other. The tops and sides were routed leaving a smooth bevel so the fiberglass would comform to the contour leaving no air pockets. I mixed some cabosil and glued the plywood strips to the top's of the stringers.

Having completed that I then cut some 1708 to cover the tops of the stringers thus encapsulating the new plywood strips.

This week I hope to get a little more done. I have to tab the stringers to the transom and start working on the floor. It's going a little slower then I had planned.

strick

71kidcasper · #36 09-25-2006, 01:47 PM

Strick, That's a great looking blacktail. I'm not use to seeing anything other than whitetails, and I do mean deer. Is that possibly a cross between a mulie and a blacktail? Boat looks great also. Keep the pix coming you give me new ideas all the time.

oldbluesplayer · #37 09-25-2006, 03:16 PM

Man - this is a study in beautiful workmanship - Nice !!

Congrats on the deer - beautiful country - looked like a good place for my .257 Roberts - it's kinda lost out here in the New England woods.

Interesting bit on the vinylester vs epoxy resins - I knew that epoxy runs about 30%, or better, stronger than polyester, in glassing to existing fully cured glass, where all you're getting is the secondary bond - any idea where vinylester runs in that comparison ? I've never worked with vinylester before - how do you rate it for ease of mixing / working pot life / wettability / temperature sensitivity / etc- the usual resin characterisitics ???

thanks

Bill

RUSTYNTABATHA · #38 09-25-2006, 10:32 PM

INCREDIBLE DEER we whitetail hunt in the al blackbelt. The boat is coming along great also. congrats !!!!!

Spidercrab · #39 09-25-2006, 11:43 PM

dats a big'un mr strick. shoot i stufed up in ole buck lest year nex 2 meemas poorch door. jed pissed cause he wants to eat it.sezz the dat tail be finger lickin good

strick · #40 09-26-2006, 01:04 AM

Thanks fellas for the comments about the deer.. including yours spider crab. It's an honor to have you reply to one of my posts. We busted our butts up there. Backpacked about 8 miles into the Trinity alps wilderness. We had to pack water 2 miles to our campsite which was situtated 5 minutes from the two canyons we hunt. That enabled us to get to our hunting area well before daylight. Only other people we saw were on horse back. Got snowed on which was a suprise but made hunting conditions easier. The buck was killed well within the boundries for pure blacktail deer. The Alps are known for their pure high quality black tail gene pool. He scores 129 6/8 points which is 6 2/8 points away from making the all time B&C Records of North American Big Game...which is why one may be inclined to mistake him for a muley hybred.

Old Blue- I dont really know much about all this technical stuff bond strength difference's etc...Like I said in an earlier post I'm used to using epoxy for the most part. I've been making sure that the area that I'm laminating to has been rough sanded so the stuff stick's when I put it down. So far no problems. The vinylester is very easy to work with. Easier then epoxy. It wets well and the pot life is long enough for getting the job done. I've been mixing 1-2 quarts at a time. Everything seems to be holding together so far. No progress tonight.... drank two beers and just stared at it for a while trying to get ideas.

strick