1969 27' SeaCraft Race Boat For Sale

[65Bowrider]

My apology for side-tracking this thread with a little history.
But what Blizzard1 and FlyingTime have are very rare and unique SeaCrafts.

If you want a boat that will go fast with minimal power, these will get you there in a hurry.
Good luck with your sale.
Carla

[Bigshrimpin]

Carla - Thanks for the story!! It's amazing what Carl did in such a short amount of time.

My Racing Machine:

My Flying Machine"

Milkshake

[Blizzard1]

Hi Carla,
Love the SeaCraft history lesson, thank you so much! Most of the information I had came from Richard Garlington back when I first rebuilt the boat he was the one who told me what I actually had.

OK guys on to the next topic. Following the title chain, sorry but, it isn't going to happen. The owner before me got the boat from someone who owed him money at his marina in Jupiter. He then took the boat from Florida to North Carolina, where you do not need to title a boat to register it. I actually brought it home from Hatteras NC one summer after fishing up there and he just wrote me a notarized letter so I could get a title back in Florida.

As far as hanging a pair off 250s off the back, good luck!! I think you would end up drowning the motors!

As far as Lou Rambo's 27' boats go, I have always thought they looked somewhat similar to mine but, they are a little wider, have more of a rake to the bow, and the bottom is not the same. Not mention I was fishing out of Palm Beach when he started building them for goggle eye fishing, definitely not the same era.

Lastly, A JUPITER? OH!!!! YOUR KILLING ME!!!!!!!!! I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ANY OF THE JUPITER BOATS RUN WITH MINE!!!

Later,
Richard

[gofastsandman]

Originally Posted by Blizzard1

Hi Carla,
Love the SeaCraft history lesson, thank you so much! Most of the information I had came from Richard Garlington back when I first rebuilt the boat he was the one who told me what I actually had.

OK guys on to the next topic. Following the title chain, sorry but, it isn't going to happen. The owner before me got the boat from someone who owed him money at his marina in Jupiter. He then took the boat from Florida to North Carolina, where you do not need to title a boat to register it. I actually brought it home from Hatteras NC one summer after fishing up there and he just wrote me a notarized letter so I could get a title back in Florida.

As far as hanging a pair off 250s off the back, good luck!! I think you would end up drowning the motors!

As far as Lou Rambo's 27' boats go, I have always thought they looked somewhat similar to mine but, they are a little wider, have more of a rake to the bow, and the bottom is not the same. Not mention I was fishing out of Palm Beach when he started building them for goggle eye fishing, definitely not the same era.

Lastly, A JUPITER? OH!!!! YOUR KILLING ME!!!!!!!!! I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ANY OF THE JUPITER BOATS RUN WITH MINE!!!

Later,
Richard

Dynamite post.

The prow and shear are close to a Rambo, but the sex is pure Carl Moesly. Even on a trailer.....nice.

Let me know if you need someone to rig and run the spread on a "sea trial".

Do you have a name of a former owner?

All in favor of an information gathering?

Motion passed,

GFS

If you have a name of a former owner, perhaps we can look further.

[cdavisdb]

Blizzards hull sure does look like "My Racing Machine", No. 31. The bow of both boats is suspiciously like a Seafari 25. I'd love to run along side his for comparison purposes.

New owner, take note!

[DonV]

Carla and Skipper, no apology is needed!!! Great stuff!!! I look at the 21'er in your garage, along with the old racing pictures, and wonder how much more entry "Vee" can be built into a small boat. Just too cool! Hurry up and finish the rebuild so I can go for a ride!!! You're slacking (sorry GFS about the possible copyright violation).

[gofastsandman]

Originally Posted by DonV

Carla and Skipper, no apology is needed!!! Great stuff!!! I look at the 21'er in your garage, along with the old racing pictures, and wonder how much more entry "Vee" can be built into a small boat. Just too cool! Hurry up and finish the rebuild so I can go for a ride!!! You're slacking (sorry GFS about the possible copyright violation).

Wonderful history here,
Thanks Carla and Skip!

Cheers,
GFS

[Bushwacker]

Originally Posted by Caymanboy

Maybe I'm wrong here, gosh forbid!
The bottom strakes/steps don't look SeaCraft to me, good looking boat though!

I have no doubt that it's a SeaCraft! When you study the picture below and reflect on the early SeaCraft development history, a few things become apparent:

1. The lifting strakes are a little misleading - they're much narrower than you typically see on the average deep V. Carl's later designs, like the 25 Seafari and 27 Seamaster had similar strakes.
2. Also notice that the outer panel is shifted up relative to the inner panel, just like the classic VDH hulls. The "lifting" strake is probably too narrow to create much lift, but I bet it creates aeration similar to that of the taller step on the old Moesly 21. Maybe this design was easier to pull out of the mold than one with a taller step; the 21 was the only model with those big 2-3" tall steps. All later models had 1-2" steps.
3. Haven't laid a protractor on it, but I swear that outer panel has slightly less deadrise than the inner one, again, just like the classic VDH.
4. If you go to the www.moeslyseacraft.com site and read some of Carl's brochures from the early 60's, note that he was real proud of the fact that the stock production 21 hull could "hold it's own" in rough seas racing with the all-out extreme deep V's, while being far superior to them for normal use in terms of efficiency and load carrying ability! Read the story about the "shootout" they had on Biscayne Bay between the 21 and other identically powered boats in the competition for the government contract. When the other boats couldn't even get on plane with the specified load, and the 21 planed easily with significantly MORE load than required, there was NO DOUBT who had the best hull design! That win was a SLAM DUNK if I ever saw one!
5. When Carl designed this hull in the late 60's, a lot had changed! They were running 3 motors and nobody was running stock production hulls anymore! This 27 was designed as a pure RACE boat with lots of power, hence the high deadrise on both panels! I'm sure stability at rest and low speed planing ability were not a concern, so no need for that nearly flat outer panel! I think we're looking at the same basic VDH design principles, but refined and optimized for one very specific purpose.

However when that hull is kept light and simple with that CC layout and a single engine, I bet it's still one hell of a fishing rig that any new boat would be hard pressed to stay up with in rough seas, no matter how much power they had!

Good luck with the sale! Hopefully someone will buy it who truly appreciates what a special and unique boat it is!

[Caymanboy]

Carla,
Thank you for that trip though history. My apologies to everyone!! Carla, did Carl race with a guy named Gardner Young?
Aneyhoo, I'm sure a boat with that lineage will do well.
Great pics Big Shrimpin!!! Love the old days!

[FlyingTime]

Originally Posted by Blizzard1

Hi Carla,
Love the SeaCraft history lesson, thank you so much! Most of the information I had came from Richard Garlington back when I first rebuilt the boat he was the one who told me what I actually had.

OK guys on to the next topic. Following the title chain, sorry but, it isn't going to happen. The owner before me got the boat from someone who owed him money at his marina in Jupiter. He then took the boat from Florida to North Carolina, where you do not need to title a boat to register it. I actually brought it home from Hatteras NC one summer after fishing up there and he just wrote me a notarized letter so I could get a title back in Florida.

As far as hanging a pair off 250s off the back, good luck!! I think you would end up drowning the motors!

As far as Lou Rambo's 27' boats go, I have always thought they looked somewhat similar to mine but, they are a little wider, have more of a rake to the bow, and the bottom is not the same. Not mention I was fishing out of Palm Beach when he started building them for goggle eye fishing, definitely not the same era.

Lastly, A JUPITER? OH!!!! YOUR KILLING ME!!!!!!!!! I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ANY OF THE JUPITER BOATS RUN WITH MINE!!!

Later,
Richard

I was told mine had twin OMC 235's at one time. Fuel tank was moved fwd to compensate for the added weight. Owner said one of the engines never ran right so he didn't know how fast it really could go but was well over 70mph as it was. He re-powered with a single 200 planning to go with twins but didn't have the coin after he purchased that 1st engine. It was still fast... Carl told me with those triple Mercury's it ran about 67mph depending on load. My big debate is single or twins. Carl suggested twins...
Blizzard1, good luck with the sale. Hopefully someone here will fix her up right.